The oldest active student dormitory in Japan with a history of 105 years of construction is the Yoshida Dormitory of Kyoto University.In the past, Yoshida dormitory has been notified from the university to prohibit new dormitories as "significantly lacking seismic resistance", and on September 30, 2018, everyone is finally required to leave.It is reported.From the short news, it was difficult to understand, "What is going on?"Is it really a "dangerous building"?I actually went to Yoshida dormitory and asked the dormitory students to talk.
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So we arrived at Yoshida dormitory.On the left side is the new building of the Yoshida dormitory built in 2015, and the building on the right is the student rally.
There is a row of trees between the two large buildings, and when you get out of it ...
There is a 105 -year -old Yoshida dormitory building.
The entrance looks like this.Because it is a living space, the photo is basically NG, so it is written as "Photo x", but I got a special shooting OK for coverage.
When you go inside, it looks like this.
The Yoshida dormitory has a two -story structure like "E", and there is a long passage in front of the rooms of each dormitory.
Between the management building in front of the building and the student's living space, it was divided by a fire door like this.
There were various posters on the wall, one of which was the announcement of GIGAZINE's photography.It seems that various events and information will be notified to the dormitory students like this.
This time, I will have Mr. Okada, a current dormitory, guide you to the dormitory.When you go up the stairs leading to the second floor ...
A door suddenly appears in an empty place.
When you open the door ...
It continues to the veranda and can look down on the courtyard.
This is the sight of the courtyard seen from the second floor.
The corridor on the first floor of the building follows the toilet.
In addition, something like a string on the veranda in each room is a clothesline.It is retro to such a place.
The inside of the building is a little dark, and the natural light is inserted through the window to create a unique atmosphere.It is a calm air that time is slowly progressing.Since the window glass of the Yoshida dormitory is made with different technologies from the present, the vivid trees outside are slightly distorted as if they were on the surface of the water.
landing.
It seems that the dispatch of the cleaning staff who came to the Yoshida dormitory stopped after the end of September, so it seems that a little dust has begun, but the stairs are beautifully made to feel the spirit of construction.
As I went down the stairs, various things were placed.This is in front of a dormitory room who is studying shellfish.
There are many tools that will be used for research.
There was a list of landscape species of Yoshida dormitory on the door of the room.Yoshida dormitory seems to be functioning as a research field while being a place where people live.
I came out in the courtyard.
Looking at the building from the courtyard.It feels as if I had slipped back in time in the Taisho and Showa era.
The trees in the courtyard are quite old.
The stump is when you cut down the fallen tree during a typhoon.It is said that the wood was used by the former dormitory.
This is a manga room.
In addition to the rooms of individual dormitory students, there are rooms that were used as a dark room in the past ...
At present, it was like this.
It is a 105 -year -old building that is easy to imagine when you hear "Yoshida dormitory", but in fact a new building was built in 2015.This is a new building for three years.In fact, this time, Kyoto University has issued a new building dormitory student to leave the dormitory to ensure safety.
This is the entrance.There is a staircase on the left side to the underground cafeteria.
Go down the stairs ...
The cafeteria looks like this.
The state of the kitchen.
In the Yoshida dormitory, where diverse people share the place, the discussion of asking them to re -question their own ways, so they decided to operate the new building toilets as "all gender -to -toilet".
The stairs are smaller than the 105 -year -old Yoshida dormitory.
Equipped with elevator.
With such a feeling, there was a staircase that was conscious of the 105 -year -old Yoshida dormitory, but you can see that it is not easy to get that atmosphere without "time".
So, this time, I talked to Yoshida dormitory students in the manga room in the Yoshida dormitory.From the right side, Mr. Okada, Sawada, Fukushima, and Mr. M (pseudonym) are sitting because of the photo NG.
Gigazine (G):
I would like to ask first, everyone still lives in the Yoshida dormitory, right?
Mr. Okada (hereinafter, Okada):
I agree.I'm a core resident who has lived so far, including me (laughs)
G:
What made you enter the Yoshida dormitory?
Okada:
I passed Kyoto University Graduate School.It is difficult to go to graduate school while working, so I wanted to keep my living expenses as low as possible, so I entered the Yoshida dormitory.Originally, I spent my school days at Kyoto Seika University, so I sometimes went to the Western Auditorium.I was invited by a friend once or twice, and I stayed at Yoshida dormitory.
G:
Did your friends live in the Yoshida dormitory?
Okada:
It's not, but after drinking at the Western Auditorium, I talked, "Let's stay overnight! I can stay cheaply!"Yoshida dormitory can be accommodated by people outside the university.
G:
Then, before entering the Yoshida dormitory, you already knew the atmosphere.
Okada:
Since I lived in such an atmosphere, "living in Yoshida dormitory" seems to have been a normal option.
Mr. Sawada (hereinafter Sawada):
I thought that it was far away when I was from Osaka for a similar reason to Okada -san, but I wanted to make my living cost cheaper.I'm a fourth year student at Kyoto University, but I entered Yoshida dormitory when I was a second year.I knew about the Yoshida dormitory because my dormitory was friends, so I wanted to live nearby while keeping my living expenses low.
G:
Fukushima chose Yoshida dormitory ...
Mr. Fukushima (hereinafter, Fukushima):
Originally I didn't know about the Yoshida dormitory, but since my parents were Kanagawa Prefecture, when I passed Kyoto University Graduate School, I asked, "What should I live?"I couldn't say that my parents would give me money this year, and I wanted to spend as much money as possible, so I wanted to keep my rent low.Kyoto University also has a student autonomy dormitory called Kumano Dormitory, and applied for both Yoshida and Kumano dormitory.If you didn't receive both, you would live in a private apartment, but both were selected, so I decided to use a wooden Yoshida dormitory rather than a concrete Kumano dormitory.。The final deciding factor is not a rent, but a building.
M (hereinafter M):
I aimed for a graduate school after working as a member of society, but I couldn't afford to continue working while working as a graduate student.When I planned to "eat with my accumulated savings", I had only the option of "living in Yoshida dormitory or Kumano dormitory and going to Kyoto University Graduate School".If other universities are national, tuition fees are side by side, but if you think about living expenses such as rent, it will be completely different.Living in the Yoshida dormitory or Kumano dormitory was an absolute requirement to go to graduate school.
G:
The rent, 400 yen per month, is very cheap.
M:
I have always wanted to join a self -government dormitory.Both Yoshida dormitory and Kumano dormitory are self -government dormitory, but the decisive factor of choosing the Yoshida dormitory is ...
Fukushima:
Is it close?
M:
I agree.From Kumano Dormitory, I was not confident that I would go to graduate school every day (laughs) I found a lot of good points of Yoshida dormitory, but the decisive factors when I entered are close.
G:
What was the atmosphere when I actually started living?
M:
To be honest, I was worried that I could do it.The autonomy of the autonomy dormitory can be explained in advance, but you can only know what the atmosphere is.
I'm already an old man, so many dormitory students are as old as their parents, but the worst thing was whether they would be familiar with the Yoshida dormitory's shared room system.But after entering, about three days, I understood, "Don't worry about it at all!"
G:
Only three days ...!
M:
The Yoshida dormitory is "a mechanism to be able to associate with people", or it is not possible to stay alone, so I feel comfortable now because there are some places that have been helped there.
G:
Isn't M himself an extrovert type?
M:
It's not very social personality.
Okada:
But I'm really good at billiards, so everyone is always doing it in the cafeteria.
M:
There were musical instruments and billiards in the cafeteria, which is also an entertainment space, and I have been doing billiards for a long time, so I was grateful that I was able to get to know the dormitory and my friends immediately.
G:
Was it a similar atmosphere when Mr. Fukushima was entered?
Fukushima:
To be honest, I hardly associated with people.This is a unit system, so I talked to people in the same unit and shared rooms, and I still have a deep relationship with my partner leaving the dormitory.
However, I consciously kept a distance from the problems that occurred in the dormitory.Don't be involved in the Yoshida Dormitory Residents' Association, except for the activity of the nerdlor in charge.
G:
Conversely, it is a place where people with such stances can not feel difficult.
Sawada:
The shared room I entered was a bit special, and there were only members taking care of chicken bred in the Yoshida dormitory.We were more like "people to fulfill a certain function" rather than "a good group."When I entered, I was already acquainted with the members of the shared room, so I was comfortable.
However, on the contrary, there is no interaction with others because "I hope the function can be fulfilled", and there are many people gathering at the reception, but there are many people who do not know it.
Okada:
I am a person who is actively trying to get involved with people, so as soon as I entered the dormitory, I opened my own shop at the Yoshida dormitory festival in May and thought, "Let's get involved with people!"
...... What, "Nobody is involved!?" (Laughs).When I heard it later, it seemed that such an aggressive feeling was "scary".At first I don't get used to it.Everyone had no greeting, had no smiles, and didn't return even if they bow, so I thought, "What's here!"
G:
Isn't it very vigilant (laughs)?
Okada:
Really so.But on the other hand, I thought it would be easy because I didn't have to be tied to the rules.
G:
Impressions are so different that people think, "Do you live in the same place?"
So, from the perspective of actually living, what are those who are suitable for living in the Yoshida dormitory or those who are not suitable?
Okada:
If you are not suitable, do you want private?It's not that there is no privacy at all, but it's basically a shared room, so it's impossible for people who are too careful to be with people.
G:
Conversely, those who are facing ...
Okada:
People who don't care much about things or those who can enjoy this kind of situation.I think people who can work on their own are suitable to make it easier to live.
Sawada:
The person I think is a tolerant person.A person who can forgive various things.Because it is a communal life, if you live with a different person from yourself, you will inevitably have something you can't forgive.
G:
Did you actually hit the people in the room while taking care of the chicken?
Sawada:
Of course, there were both the scene I forgive and the scene that the other person allowed.If you take care of the chicken, the soil will inevitably enter the room, so you can use the plate with the soil to use it or not.I think that those who can talk to the other party and solve them can live in the Yoshida dormitory, but those who decide "no good!"
In fact, Mr. Sawada is a college student who researches shellfish that appeared in the previous photos.I actually showed you inside the room.
This is Sawada's room.There are personal belongings such as futons near the window ...
On the opposite door side, there is a tank where creatures live.
Fukushima:
I also think that Sawada -san is the same idea, and in other words, it seems that "people with physical strength" are suitable.
Okada:
I understand that (laughs)
Fukushima:
For example, people who have no likes and dislikes or eat, and can sleep anywhere are suitable.If you don't have physical strength, you will leave the Yoshida dormitory.
G:
Indeed, it's a person with high survival skills.
Fukushima:
I think it is difficult for people who have a lot of "this is no good" and "this is not good", and those who have allergies on dust and animals continue to live here.
M:
I think the person I'm thinking, or the person with a good fit is a person who can say his opinion.There is no caretaker like an apartment here, so no one will solve it.
The most important thing is to accept the differences in opinions as "differences in opinion."For example, if you have a different opinion between Mr. Fukushima, you can't do it here if you only have the idea of "let's dye Fukushima into my color".I wonder if it is important to understand that "the way of thinking is different" and live together.
G:
I see.In your story, the atmosphere of Yoshida dormitory has been grasped.From here on, I would like to ask about the Yoshida dormitory itself.
Yoshida dormitory's semi -official website "I want to protect Yoshida Dormitory" has a page called "Substitute Dormitory Problem".Here, "If you roughly estimate the costs required to prepare an alternative dormitory, it will cost more than 100 million yen." What is this?
M:
Now, we call the building we are called the "current building" and the building built in 2015 is the "new building", but the university authorities have issued a notice from both of them to leave.
However, if we are kicked out, we will have no place to live, so Kyoto University can rent an apartment with a rent of about 40,000 to 50,000 yen in the city and live a dormitory student under the same conditions as the current rent of "400 yen per month".I'm doing it.The difference is burdened by the university, as the university pays a full rent and renting an apartment.However, there are many dormitory students in the Yoshida dormitory, contrary to the university expectations.
Okada:
You live around 100 people.I expected that it would be less, but the atmosphere is very crowded.
M:
As a university, I hit a large piece and secured a relocation destination, but since everyone did not go out at all, the media said, "It is a waste to spend money on the apartment even though only some people move.Isn't that? "
G:
Also, in the official Facebook account of the Yoshida Dormitory Public Room, in addition to the cash, we are looking for cooking ingredients.
【カンパのお願い】It is expected that more and more money will be required from this, such as public relations, lifeline securing, and litigation.
Thank you for your cooperation!
【account】
Yoshida Dormitory Dormitory Definishment Description Bureau
Japan Post Bank
Savings account
Symbol: 14470
Number: 43738301
Other financial institutions ... Post by Yoshida Dormitory Hiro Room October 1, 2018 Monday
Okada:
We have various vegetables, mainly rice.Some people support me in the form of goods.
G:
Do you have any missing supplies?
Okada:
Electricity and water are still passing, and their lives are not tight, but if the lifeline is cut in the future, living supplies will be very helpful.
G:
In addition, there was a content on the SNS account that "Children Yoshidaryo" is held every Saturday. What is this doing?I don't understand even if I check it.
Children
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Okada:
For a long time, Kyoto University students teach homework to children who came to Yoshida dormitory during the summer vacation.
最近はそういった習慣がなくなってしまっていたため、「吉田寮は誰でも来られる場所だ」ということを知っていただくためにも、交流の場所としての「Children」を始めました。この夏休みにはたくさん子どもたちが来てくれましたね。
M:
There were so many.Some children did homework, and did skateboards and table tennis.
Okada:
I was able to interact a lot by making udon and musical instruments.Yoshida dormitory may not be able to convey the atmosphere because the photos have not been uploaded much to the Internet to protect personal information, privacy, personal opinions and portrait rights.
G:
On SNS, there was a post that "Kyoto University has opened a new phone line because the phone of the Yoshida dormitory has been raised," but where would it be connected to a new phone number?
Fukushima:
Calling a new phone will lead to a smartphone in the office.
G:
How have you used the Landline of Yoshida dormitory so far?
M:
The telephone line contracted by Kyoto University was assigned, and this was the window for interviews and visits because the outer line arrived.However, since Kyoto University stopped this line, there was no official contact information externally, and it was a new one.
G:
Another thing I didn't understand was that the Yoshida Dormitory Festival Twitter account mentioned not only telephone lines but also blocking goods.What kind of goods have you been specifically provided so far?
吉田寮自治会より総長、教育研究評議会、学生生活委員会に宛てた「公開質問状ならびに要求書」を、提出します。10/1,15に押し付けられた「退舎通告」や電話回線遮断、物品支給差止めなどに関する内容です。 pic.twitter.com/rmSYSpQvqs— 吉田寮祭 (@yoshidaryosai) 2018年10月19日Fukushima:
It is a daily necessity, such as fluorescent lamps, batteries, detergents, soaps, toilet paper, and wax to protect floorboards.
G:
Similarly, the dormitory worker was also mentioned, but what kind of person is the dormitory worker?
Fukushima:
Those who were hired directly / indirectly were partially shared about cleaning and office work in the dormitory.In addition, we had requested repair when the shared washing machine broke down, but such requests were also refused.
G:
I see."The university has not appealed to the current legal means."
M:
In this case, the legal measures refer to the university authorities to appeal to the court and ask the dormitory to give a dormitory building, but the authorities have not taken any legal measures at this time.
Stopping the phone number is just because the university has the number you have.There is a poster for notification, but the court is not involved, and I do not know when and what will happen in the future.
G:
The university says, "It's illegal to stay in Yoshida dormitory after October 1." What does this mean?
M:
For example, if you continue to live in the room even after the rental apartment lease agreement ends, it will be an illegal occupation without legal basis.In the Yoshida dormitory, the university claims that "it is illegal to stay in despite the notice of departure."
However, Yoshida dormitory has concluded with the university that "the university authorities do not make a one -sided decision on the operation of the Yoshida dormitory, but discuss with the Yoshida dormitory residents' association and make an agreement.We do not recognize that the lease agreement has ended because it was issued.This is the difference in views.
G:
It is clear that the Yoshida dormitory has the intention of "I want to continue living", but I don't know what the university is looking for.What is the reason why the university asks for a departure?
Fukushima:
Security is the main reason.The Yoshida dormitory was 105 years old, and it was explained that living in an aging building would leave due to a high risk in the event of an earthquake or other disasters.
G:
For example, when Yoshida dormitory collapses due to an earthquake or the like, is Kyoto University being responsible for?
Fukushima:
Probably, we are taking measures in advance to avoid the responsibility of management.
G:
If so, I think the idea of repairing the dormitory will come out, but I don't understand from the end that I'm looking for a departure.Even if you actually visit Yoshida dormitory, it doesn't look like a dangerous building ...
Sawada:
Even if you actually live, I don't feel that Kyoto University is worried.
Okada:
This is only speculated, but it is a common view that the university thinks the Yoshida dormitory as a "tankobobu on the eyes".The university wants to manage and rationalize it thoroughly, and try to reconstruct the managed research buildings and systemized facilities by eliminating the Yoshida dormitory, Kumano dormitory, the western auditorium, etc. as "not suitable".I feel there is.
I understand that this is a widespread Japanese society, rather than the intention of Kyoto University, so at the root of this matter, there is an aspect that the problem of Japanese society is projected.
G:
Have you ever heard clearly about why the university asks you to leave?
M:
I heard in the previous discussion, but it was just a side of "safety".
Of course, there are some parts that can be understood about the reason for disaster countermeasures for the old building.However, if you repair it properly, it will be safe enough in the current building, so I am not convinced of the reason to refuse repair.
However, at least the three -year -old "new building" built in 2015 should not be said to be safe.
When I asked the university about this point, did you say, "Yoshida dormitory is hard for many Kyoto University students?"
G:
"It's hard to approach"!?
M:
So there was a nuance answer that "it is inappropriate as a welfare facility."
This is close to what Okada -san was saying earlier.The university seems to have a prejudice on the Yoshida dormitory, saying, "I don't understand a place where unknown people are managing and operating."
But isn't there a person who is actually dangerous?I didn't collect only moderate today, and everyone looks like this.We are here for extreme reasons, such as economic circumstances.
There is no particular bias in the thought, but rather the aspects that the thought and beliefs are too diverse and difficult.The good thing about the Yoshida dormitory is that people with a variety of ideas can live without hiding it, but the university side is "radical and violent" as seen in old student movements.I guess there are many people with ideas. "
Otherwise, at least for the new building in the three -year -old building, there is no necessity to "leave for safety."On the surface, it is because of disaster countermeasures, but there is no reason for all reasons, and it is true that the real intention is to dismantle the Yoshida dormitory as a self -government dormitory and create a place where universities can control.Can be imagined.
G:
Did you have the same case as the Yoshida dormitory for the self -government dormitory of other universities?
M:
A typical example is the case of the University of Tokyo Komaba dormitory.This is because the dormitory student did not leave despite the abandoned dormitory of Komaba dormitory by the university, so the university has filed a lawsuit calling for the Komaba dormitory.This is a case where a dormitory student was executed by the university's won in a trial for several years.
Other autonomy dormitory has a similar feeling, and most cases have been enforced when the dormitory is abolished after a judgment.
G:
Why do you think Kyoto University still not appealing to legal means?
M:
When a forced execution, police officers are often mobilized.As a authorities, I think that the university wants to avoid the fact that Kyoto University uses power to drag students out of the dormitory.I think that the hurdle will be high at this stage, as it can be considered as a means of clogging.I think universities are the most important places in society and need to value the power of words.In that regard, students and faculty and staff are the same idea.
The world is known only to the old building of the Yoshida dormitory.The university will also want to color the "stupid guys who continue to live in an old building", and I think it's a very easy -to -understand composition.We have no news value in our claim that we are required to leave from the new building, which has no problem with earthquake resistance, so we have a one -sided understanding.
We think that Yoshida dormitory is one of the symbols of Kyoto University, and I think it is meaningful that historical buildings exist as active "autonomous dormitory" instead of museums.。We believe that we have to send that kind of thing.
G:
When you listen to the story, you can clearly see that Yoshida dormitory is not a lawless zone.It is difficult to see how the autonomy of the Yoshida dormitory is operated from the outside, but how is the rules such as shared rooms?
Okada:
There are not many clear rules or lines, so there is always an agreement in the discussion.In the early days when the Yoshida dormitory was built, the rules were decided in detail, and it was also said that "Kita dormitory has a private room for excellent students."
Fukushima:
In 1913, only male students in the Japanese faculty were eligible for the dormitory.Starting with the opening of girls in 1985, a frontage was opened for international students, graduate students, subjects, students, and research students in the next 10 years.
Okada:
It seems that "autonomy" seems to be completed only by dormitory students, but in the past, the president of Kyoto University held a dinner party in front of the Yoshida dormitory, or a banquet at the president's house and had a drinking party.The distance between the students and the school was very close.
As a major premise of the existence of the Yoshida dormitory, there is a tradition that Kyoto University and students have performed self -government while communicating close from an equal footing.It has changed in modern times, and as in this case, the university said, "I will not talk with the dormitory side."From the end, it may be said, "The students are following the school, but the selfish students are crushing on their own?"
G:
Is there an ideal and ideal development about Yoshida dormitory in the future as an idea to protect Yoshida dormitory and survive?
Okada:
I would be glad if people in the city were more aware of the problem of Yoshida dormitory and shared their thoughts.This case tends to be a problem only for Yoshida dormitory and Kyoto University, but if education changes, it will affect their future.Ideally, you can feel it as your familiar problem, and then say, "You should leave the Yoshida dormitory!"
Sawada:
I didn't think as wide as Okada -san, but I want to keep living in the Yoshida dormitory, so it's honest that the Yoshida dormitory will survive.If you are kicked out, it will end there, so if you can continue to live here.
Fukushima:
Mr. Okada says that the whole society is trying to manage it, but in the tendency that managing it by rules and penalties is quick and reasonable, it does not blend in the rules for various reasons.There are people.
The Yoshida dormitory has a loud manner that "there is no rule in principle" and "a discussion between the parties will be solved each time", and it is an unusual case that takes time, but has actually solved the problem.As an experimental site to explore the potential of future generations, it is not wasteful to live a place like Yoshida dormitory alive.
M:
The dormitory students have argued that they can be asserted through two negotiations with the university, but to be honest, we have not seen any hope in the future.What I would like to ask the university authorities is to talk anyway.
It is a pity that the dormitory expiration date was notified, but the Yoshida dormitory also began to actively send out the outside, and I think this is better than before.There is no tremendous plan, but I think that we have to send it to society that the Yoshida dormitory is opened through this problem and continue it.
G:
本日はどうもありがとうございました。